2017 Globe Triangle Motorcycle Ride

 

Planning the ride

The year of 2017 for me having outdoor fun was mostly kayaking and hiking,  I had made only one 2017 motorcycle ride and that was a ride in March.  The end of the year was approaching, the weather was ideal for motorcycle riding, and I was eager for one last ride before the calendar year was gone.  Motorcycling is a satisfying activity for me, getting out on the road to see new places in Arizona and snap a few photos is a great way for me to spend a day.  On a motorcycle you see and experience places differently than you do in an automobile.  Whoever invented the motorcycle was a genius.

I don’t recall where or when I first read about the Globe Triangle ride, but I decided that would be the ride I would take to end out the year.  Three Arizona old mining communities, Globe, Superior, and Winkelman define the Globe Triangle.  The starting town for me would be Superior, and I chose to ride it counter-clockwise. 

Above: Google Map showing location of the Globe Triangle.

Below is an annotated Google Earth Map of the Globe Triangle.

Above:  Google Earth Map showing location of mountains and rivers.

I have never gone on a motorcycle road without planning it in great detail, I’ve always created an Excel spreadsheet with all my stops planned out, with estimated arrival and departure times for each location where I will stop for photographs, food, fuel, etc.   And this ride was no different, my spreadsheet (with mileage, riding times, elevation input from Google Map) estimated this ride would be 232 miles, take 5.2 hours on the road and 8.6 hours overall after all the stops were factored in.  My starting elevation would be about 1,500 feet in Scottsdale and I would ride as high as about 5,000 feet in the mountains.  I am a Google Maps/Street View freak, when planning a ride I street-view the entire ride.  I'm making the ride in my mind long before I hit the road.

I was familiar with the communities of Superior and Globe from previous rides, but not Winkelman.  I read up on Winkelman, plus Hayden which was next to Winkelman. After reading about Hayden I definitely wanted to spend some time sightseeing there.  A lot has been written about the prejudice toward Hispanic workers and their families in these old mining towns, including Hayden.

I rented a 2017 Harley Davidson Sportster SuperLow 1200T from the Harley Davidson of Scottsdale, my favorite rental place. I had been renting Harley Davidson SuperLow 1200T motorcycles since 2015 and they have become my go-to rental ride.

Above:  The rental 2017 Harley Davidson SuperLow 1200T on the night before the ride.

Above:  The rental 2017 Harley Davidson SuperLow 1200T on the night before the ride.

Getting to the Globe Triangle

I started my ride on a Wednesday morning on December 6, leaving my house around 7 o'clock in the morning shortly before sunrise.  I rode east on Shea Boulevard until I got to the Beeline Highway, then turned southwest and rode to North Gilbert Road and then south to Loop 202.  Once on Loop 202 I again turned east and rode to U.S. Route 60 (US 60) in Mesa, Arizona.

This route of about 30 miles wasn’t the shortest or fastest way to get beyond the city sprawl, but was the more scenic ride and kept me away from the heavy morning work traffic of Loop 101 and US 60.  From that point I then headed east again on US 60 towards Superior, Arizona.  Just getting to my starting point of the Globe Triangle Superior was enjoyable, 70 easy miles with good roads, beautiful scenery with an excellent view of the Superstition Mountains.  

I didn't take a photo of the Superstition Mountains on this ride, but the photo below is one I took in March of this year on an earlier ride, This photo taken at US 60 at South Kings Ranch Road.

Above:  Superstition Mountains (in March, 2017) from  US 60.

1st leg of the Globe Triangle starts at Superior, Arizona

Superior is one of my favorite places to ride a motorcycle. It is a small mining town within the Tonto National Forest and is at an elevation of around 2,800 feet and has less than 3,000 people.  One of the things I like about Superior is that it is at the base of the Apache Leap Mountains, which is a jaw-dropping view.  Apache Leap, so named legend says because when a US military expedition was sent to round up Apaches in the 1870s, the Apaches decided to leap to their deaths rather than be arrested.

Arriving in Superior I made a few photos from the Visitor's Center before heading south on State Route 177 (SR 177), also known as The Copper Corridor.

Above:  Apache Leap as viewed from US 60 at Visitor's Center.

Above:  Smoke stack in Superior, AZ, photo from US 60 at Visitors' Center.

The first leg of the Globe Triangle is about 30 miles and after about 12 miles goes by the Ray Copper Mine where there is a pull-off with a good viewing spot for an open-pit mine.  I had originally thought about stopping there but once there I realized it involved another ride off the paved road (and riding off a paved road was a violation of the motorcycle rental contract) I didn’t make that stop.  Some people consider open-pit mines as an ugly blot on the landscape, others find them beautiful, like man-made miniature Grand Canyons.

Although I didn't see the Ray Copper Mine, I am going to include the following photo from the Internet, it's from https://prd-wret.s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/assets/palladium/production/s3fs-public/Ray_copper_mine.jpg.

Above:  Ray Copper Mine, photo from above URL.

 I then continued on to Hayden as that was the place I really was interested in visiting on this leg of the triangle.  The town of Hayden was founded in the early 1900s and was a company town owned by the Kennecott Copper Corporation, the town was laid out on three distinct hills.  The eastern hill was referred to as 'Smelter Side', smelter and housing site of American Smelting and Refining Company (ASARCO).  The central hill was referred to as 'Mill Side', and was the site of the mill, stores (downtown area), and schools.  The western hill was referred to as 'San Pedro', where Mexican-American people lived.

Above:  Google Earth Map showing San Pedro location.

 
Once I reached Hayden I headed up into the San Pedro section on Lower Road and then San Pedro Avenue to view all the houses.  I don't know how many houses there were, over a hundred I'm guessing, but they were all nice little houses.

Above:  View looking up San Pedro Avenue.

Mines and mining towns were segregated in the early 1900s. White workers lived in the better houses in the nicer parts of town, got better jobs and earned more salary than Mexican workers.  That started changing after WWII, after WWII many of the old segregated patterns collapsed.

One of the things that got me interested in San Pedro was a song I ran across in my research for this trip, a song titled Corridor de San Pedro.  Some of the lyrics (translated to English) are “Entering San Pedro you will see, Houses that are leaning, houses that are leaning, But they don’t fall. Beautiful San Pedro, beautiful San Pedro that you are, The people love you, the people love you, They will not forget you…"

On a side note, totally unrelated to this ride and to be deleted from this ride journal, I was unable to find the original source that first led me to this song, but some later googling I came up with the following 2013 3-minute vimeo video, titled "Corrido de San Pedro: A Tribute to Frank Amado" at https://vimeo.com/77874199.  Frank Amado was the son of the man that wrote the song, and Frank sings part of it in this video.  Below is a screen shot from that video.  An interesting video.  Complete lyrics for the song can be found at "In Search of Hayden's Past" @ https://www.theirminesourstories.org/post/in-search-of-hayden-s-past.

Above:  Screen shot of video with Frank Amado.

After riding up Lower Road and San Pedro Avenue and viewing all the houses, I exited San Pedro Avenue and turned south again and rode to the central hill ('Mill Side') and through the downtown section of Hayden. The streets of downtown Hayden were lined with boarded-up businesses. 

Above:  Google Map showing my 2.7 mile ride through Hayden.

I made stops at the Rex Theater, the fire station and the police department.  The Rex theater building is located on Hayden Avenue, but hasn’t shown a movie since 1979.  In some of the older photos of the building the words "UNION YES!  FOREVER!" was scrawled across the top.  The building has since been repainted but if you look closely in the photo below you can still make out the words.  Even today the local news is filled with company-union conflicts in Hayden.

Above:  Rex Theater with the Harley Davidson motorcycle.

While at the Rex Theater I had a good view of the Hayden Smelter Stack, a 1,001-foot tall chimney, which is the tallest freestanding structure in Arizona. 

Above:  Hayden Smelter Stack, 1,001 feet tall, view from the Rex Theater.

 

Above:  Looking north-east from the Rex Theater.

Unlike other old towns in Arizona, Hayden has been unable to shift its focus to tourism. According to one article I read, Hayden "lacks charm” and "is too polluted" (toxic metals in the air and soil from the smelter) to attract visitors. Today Hayden continues to lose population, an early 2017 newspaper article stated “Since 2000, the population has decreased by almost 38 percent, Hayden is in the process of becoming a Ghost town."  The base of Hayden's economy is the Hayden Smelter which is only one of three operating copper smelters in the United States.

On a side note, totally unrelated to this ride and to be deleted from this ride journal, reading the history of Hayden reminded me of a town I read about in 2005 in a book titled “Chavez Ravine, 1949 - A Los Angeles Story,” an awesome book of text and photos.  Chavez Ravine was a Mexican-American community in California that disappeared in the 1950s.  Musician, songwriter Ry Cooder also put out a 2005 album titled “Chavez Ravine” about the story of that town.  Singer, guitarists Lalo Guerrero (born in Arizona and known as “the father of Chicano music”) sang several songs on this album.  Lalo Guerrero was posthumously inducted into the Arizona Music and Entertainment Hall of Fame (AMEHOF) during a ceremony in 2005.  I had the good fortune to be one of the photographers at that event. Years later in 2012, I edit the video clips from that night for one of Guerrero’s sons so that he could have a video of just his father’s induction.

The police department in Hayden is still active and there were five police vehicles parked outside the building when I was there.  The mayor of Hayden was quoted in a 2017 newspaper article, "We actually have more police vehicles than we do officers."  The police department now occupies a former bank, which has long closed its doors.

Above:  Hayden Police Department (the tall, former bank building).

Above:  The Harley Davidson next to a Hayden police vehicle

I also stopped by the Hayden fire department, but it didn’t appear to be open for business.  I later found out it is an all volunteer fire department, so maybe it doesn’t open unless a fire is reported?  During the 30 minutes I spent riding around Hayden I didn't see one other human being, saw several vehicles but no people.

Above:  Hayden Fire Department.

Life in Hayden can't be easy as the closest grocery store is about 8 miles away in Kearny, although one restaurant is still open, Maria’s Mexican Restaurant on the outskirts of town.  I stopped by Maria's but it was too early for me for lunch, so I just took a few photos.  All the reviews I've read said Maria's is a great place for a meal, so perhaps I will make it back there someday.  One of the cool parts of any motorcycle ride is stopping at some restaurant you've never been to and having breakfast or lunch.

Above: Maria's Mexican Restaurant, with the Harley.

In 2005 ASARCO filed Chapter 11 bankruptcy, citing environmental liabilities as a primary cause. Under the terms of the bankruptcy ASARCO continued to operate its existing Arizona mines.

Before leaving Hayden I rode up through the eastern hill ('Smelter Side') on Asarco Drive for a closer view of the stack.  On my way back to SR 177 I took the following photo of one of the conveyor belts used for carrying ore, and then I headed for Winkelman.

Above:  Conveyor belt carried ore

I saw a few trains going by on SR-177 but didn't get any photos. But the trains were from the Copper Basin Railway, an Arizona short-line railroad that operates from Magma, Arizona to Winkelman, Arizona, about 54 miles in length, and also has a 7-mile branch line that runs from Ray Junction to Ray, Arizona.  The train carries ore.  I didn't get any photos while riding but attached is a photo I found online, from the following URL, https://elevation.maplogs.com/poi/san_pedro_river_arizona_usa.368454.html.

Above:  Copper Basin Railway, photo from above URL reference.

On another side note, totally unrelated to this ride and to be deleted from this ride journal, when planning out this ride I ran across the following tidbit.  Dwight Yoakam released a music video in 1993 titled "A Thousand Miles from Nowhere" which features him riding on a Copper Basin Railway train across the Arizona desert.  There is a video on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu3ypuKq8WE .   Although I'm not a fan of Yoakam, and not usually a fan of music videos, this one is not too bad, ...except for Yoakam's crazy-legs dance moves, tight-ass jeans, riding the train on top of the box cars, riding in front of the engine, etc., etc., etc.  The song was featured in a favorite movie of mine, "Red Rock West."

I stopped in Winkelman only to top off the motorcycle fuel tank, the town has a population of around 350.  Winkelman is the smallest incorporated town in Arizona, and most of Winkelman’s economic activity is based on copper.  The scenery in this area is spectacular and I would like to make another ride to this area and spend some more time.

The 1st leg of the Globe Triangle ride on SR 177 was certainly enjoyable as the scenery is beautiful and the road has lots of curves.  All the communities on this leg between Superior and Winkelman were founded by the Kennecott Mining Co. to house miners and their families.

2nd leg of the Globe Triangle starts at Winkelman

The second leg of the Globe Triangle was the ride from Winkelman to Globe, a distance of about 35 miles.  At Winkelman I took State Route 77 (SR 77), which would take me to Globe, and for about eight miles SR 77 parallels the Gila River, but then the river bends off to the east and I lost sight of the river corridor.  I had never seen the Gila River before this ride as it is dry by the time it gets to the part of Arizona where I live, but it is a nice flowing river along SR 77. 

Above:  Looking toward Gila River Corridor from SR 77.

At one time the Gila River was the most boated river in Arizona. Back in 1891 a newspaper article talked about the fad of people rafting from Phoenix to Yuma when the Gila River flowed into the Colorado River.  Today the Gila River is still a good river for canoes and kayaks, but only down to the diversion dam near Florence, Arizona, after that it's dry due to Arizona's increasing population and need for water.

I didn't get a good photo of the Gila River itself, but attached is one photo I found online at https://elevation.maplogs.com/poi/san_pedro_river_arizona_usa.368454.html.

Above:  Gila River, from  above URL reference.

 At Winkelman is also the confluence where the San Pedro River runs into the Gila River.  The San Pedro River starts in Sonora, Mexico and was the last major, free-flowing undammed river in the American Southwest, but it’s mostly dry now also.

SR 77 is a two-lane highway with narrow shoulders and light traffic when I rode through.  The elevation at Winkelman is around 2,000 feet, but the ride to Globe took me to an altitude of around 5,000 feet at a place called El Capitan Pass Summit (also called Pinal Pass) in the Pinal Mountains.  I got there around 11:20 am and there is a pull-off that allowed me to take in the gorgeous view.

Above:  Pull-off at El Capitan Pass in the Pinal Mountains, with the Harley.

This ride on SR 77 has fantastic views of the Dripping Springs Mountains, the Mescal Mountains and the Pinal Mountains going into Globe.  This was an awesome ride, an extremely curvy and swervy route.

For some reason I neglected to make a good photo of the mountain scenery from the pass, but below is a photo I found online that is what I viewed at the pass.  This photo is by Henry Lee @  https://fotoeins.com/2019/09/06/fotoeins-friday-az77-pinalpass/.

Above:  View from El Capitan Pass, photo by Henry Lee (not me), at the above URL.

Globe is located at 3,500 feet above sea level, and in the heart of Arizona's Tonto National Forest and is surrounded by some spectacular mountain views.  It was founded in the late 1870’s, well before Arizona even became a state, and is one of the older mining towns in the state, and mining is still the biggest employer in the area, Globe has a population of somewhere around 7,500.  One of my favorite movies "Midnight Run" with Robert De Niro and Charles Grodin was partially filmed in Globe.

I've read that Globe is one of the most historic small towns in Arizona, whose entire downtown district is listed on the National Register of Historic Places.  But I didn't have time to check out old buildings, perhaps another day.

By the time I arrived in Globe it was around noon so I decided to stop for lunch at the Drift Inn Saloon, a popular destinations for motorcycles on the weekends.

Above:  My Harley in front of the Drift Inn Saloon.

After I parked my motorcycle I ran into a couple of minor, stupid problems.

The first problem was that I couldn’t get my motorcycle helmet off.  I had previously purchased a Quick Release Buckle for my helmet, which makes buckling and unbuckling super fast even when wearing gloves.  I had used it twice before on motorcycle rides and it always worked fine, but not this time.  I tried for over 5 minutes to get the strap unbuckled, with no luck.  I had just about decided to go into the Drift Inn Saloon and ask if they had any heavy-duty scissors or a sharp knife to cut the strap off.  But the thought of walking into a biker bar whining that I needed help in getting my helmet off was something I definitely did NOT want to do.  So I tried some more and the buckle finally unbuckled.  I removed the Quick Release buckle at that time and reinstalled the regular buckle and haven’t used the Quick Release buckle since.

The second problem came when I finally did take my helmet off, I accidentally knocked my right hearing aid off and it fell between the engine and the frame of the motorcycle, in a spot where I could hardly see it, much less get to it.  I tried for several minutes with a pen I had, but with no luck.  Finally I found a long twig and after several minutes of using that the hearing aid all of a sudden just fell onto the ground.  I figured the heat of the engine probably killed it, but it worked fine.  So with my helmet off and my hearing aid working like a charm, I strolled manly into the biker bar and ordered lunch (a toasted BLT sandwich, with fries), complete with a Four-Peaks draft IPA.  The sandwich, fries and brew were outstanding.

Above:  My BLT sandwich at the Drift Inn Saloon.

After lunch I went outside the Drift Inn Saloon and noticed that the location for the Radio Free Phoenix (RFP) station was just two doors down.  I did a guest DJ spot for them in early 2007, I play songs by 15 of my favorite Arizona blues-songwriters, adding a few comments about each songwriter.  In 2007 RFP broadcasted out of Phoenix, but in 2017 they were broadcasting out of Globe.

3rd leg of the Globe Triangle starts at Globe

Before I rode off from the Drift Inn Saloon I turned on my helmet camera to record some videos as I started the third and last leg of the Globe Triangle, from Globe back to Superior, a little less than 25 miles.  Earlier in December I purchased a DBPOWER N6 Action Camera (a cheap GoPro knockoff) for $59 and this would be the first time I’ve tried it on a motorcycle ride.  The intent was to make videos while I was riding in areas where I couldn’t stop for photo, then later I would extract frame grabs from the videos to create still photos.

The ride from Globe to Superior is on US 60 and is a fun ride as you go through a couple more old mining towns, Claypool and Miami, plus a few other interesting locations.  In Claypool I rode on Railroad Avenue, which parallels the railroad tracks that run from Clifton, Arizona to Miami, Arizona.  So I got to see a lot of interesting railroad cars with boxcar graffiti/art.

Above:  Helmet camera view riding through Claypool on Railroad Avenue.

After riding through Claypool I rode through Miami, another small classic mining town that also still mines copper.  The population is less than 2,000 but its downtown area is partly renovated.

Above:  Helmet camera view of scenery around Miami.

There are also two nice bridges on this part of US 60 before getting to Superior, the Pinto Creek Bridge and the Queen Creek Bridge.  Riding a motorcycle over bridges has always been a big plus for me.  The Pinto Creek Bridge is an old arch bridge with all the structure below the road.  The bridge once won an award as the most beautiful bridge in its class.  I didn't get a good photo of the bridge but I did download the photo below from the BridgeHunter site (credit to Royce and Bobette Haley in 2014).

Above:  Pinto Creek Bridge photo, from BridgeHunter (credit to Royce and Bobette Haley in 2014)

Beyond the Pinto Creek Bridge was Top-of-the-World, a town with a population of a little over 300.  The altitude is only 4,500 feet so it’s not the top of anything that I know of, I read in one article it got its name from an old dance hall that used to be there.

After zipping through Top-of-the-World, I rode through the Queen Creek Tunnel before reaching Superior, the tunnel is short, about 1,200 feet, but fun to ride through.

Above:  Helmet camera view entering the Queen Creek Tunnel.

Above:  Helmet camera view coming out of the Queen Creek Tunnel.

After exiting the Queen Creek Tunnel but before I reached Superior I crossed the Queen Creek Bridge, another old arch bridge built the same year as the Pinto Creek Bridge and looks almost the same.  I think my #1 bucket list bridge to ride would be the Bixby Creek Bridge in California, of "Then Came Bronson" fame.  I have a list of other bridges I'd like to ride across also.  

Above:  Helmet camera view after leaving the Queen Creek Tunnel

When I arrived in Superior I rode around sightseeing for a while, took a few photos, had memories of the last time I rode a motorcycle through Superior with two friends in 2016.  Some of my better motorcycle rides have been with others, the previously mentioned 2016 ride, a 1970 cross-Florida ride with my wife, a 2016 3-day ride to Laughlin, Nevada with a friend from California, and a couple other Arizona one-day rides with a fellow Harley Davidson rider.  But I also love solo rides, I like the freedom it gives me in slowing down and making photos when I see something interesting, taking in sights that a fellow rider might not care to make, etc.

Above: Helmet camera view when I rolled into the downtown section of Superior.

I had been reading some good reviews on Superior's La Mina Bar and Night Club ("good atmosphere, good music, excellent joint for a cold beer, etc.") so wanted to stop by and see what was inside, but they had not opened as yet, so I just took a photo with my motorcycle parked in front. 

Above:  La Mina Bar and Night Club, with the Harley.

Below for no special reason is a photo from inside La Mina Bar that I found online, but I forget where.

Above:  inside La Mina, photo from the Internet, not mine.

Above:  Another view of the Harley Davidson at La Mina Bar and Night Club.

The downtown section of Superior was at one time pretty much a ghost town but is trying to reinvent itself like other old Arizona mining towns have done, such as Jerome and Bisbee.  Lots of movies and TV shows have been made in Superior, another one of my favorite movies, "U TURN," was partially filmed there.

The following three photos were not taken on this ride, but from a ride I made in 2016.  I'm including them only because I liked the photos and didn't take many of Superior on this 2017 ride.

Above:  Building in Superior with a mural on the side, photo taken in 2016.

 

Above:  Building in Superior with a mural, photo taken in 2016.

Above:  Building in Superior with a mural on the side, photo taken in 2016.  Note the Harley Davidson motorcycle I rode that day.

The following Google Earth map shows the relative locations of Superior, Apache Leak and the Queen Creek Bridge and Tunnel.

Above:  Google Earth Map showing relative locations.

My $59 helmet camera worked fine until I was about to leave Superior.  This is where my third problem happened, the camera fell off my helmet and bounce around on the ground before finally rolling to a stop.  The double-sided tape between the camera mount and my helmet had failed to hold. Picking the camera up I expected the worse, but it looked fine and was still working to my surprise, and all the video to that time was saved.  But I was unable to remount the camera on the helmet (no backup double-sided sticky tape) for the rest of the trip.

The ride from Superior back to Scottsdale was 70 miles and I turned the Harley Davidson motorcycle back to the Scottsdale Harley Davidson dealer at about 4:10 pm.  The motorcycle ran like a dream the whole trip, I ended up using 5.3 gallons of fuel and getting 46 miles to the gallon.  The bike's odometer showed 247 miles for the round trip.

The cameras I used on this ride were my Panasonic Lumix LX100 purchased in 2014, Panasonic Lumix DMC-ZS50 purchased in 2015. my iPhone SE purchase in 2016, and my DBPOWER N6 Action Camera purchased in 2017.  I always try to document my rides with photos, it's a great way to go back and relive those rides, each photo brings back memories.  But combining photography with riding isn't all that easy as basically you are just wanting to ride so sometimes it's hard to make yourself stop riding and make some photos.  After every ride I always wish I had stopped for more photos, and made more photos when I did stop.

The photos found in this journal entry are just a few from that day, all the photos can be found online at my Google Photos site at https://photos.app.goo.gl/HszjHUEXhGSTPVE22.

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On another side note, totally unrelated to this ride and to be deleted from this ride journal, after just now writing the description of this ride it suddenly hit me, I vaguely recall someone telling me years ago that they had bought a house in Hayden.  So I went back through all my old emails and found the source in a 2007 email.  The person (Liz Boyle) was someone I had worked with on the Arizona Music and Entertainment Hall of Fame (AMEHOF) organization in 2006 & 2007, and she was also a regular DJ on Radio Free Phoenix RFP), and still is, plus she does a lot of other voice stuff.  In her 2007 email she wrote the following.

“Lowell.  As you may know, we have a little home in the barrio of Hayden, about a mile away from the Gila river.  It is so beautiful up there.  Our house was $25k and we just bought a fixer upper, on a small cliff, on the edge of town, that looks out over a gulch and mountains, an for an additional $11k that's going to be our retirement home.  No one's really heard of Hayden.  I call it the Mexican Mayberry.  We just love it.  Andy's got a place there, too.  His house is 100 years old, in the downtown, behind the old Rex movie theater that used to be segregated.  The whole town used to be segregated, as he lives on the "white" side and we live in the barrio!  Our neighbors are wonderful- they've all lived there all their lives, through many generations.

The beauty of the desert is incredible up there and the San Pedro Nature Preserve is world renowned for bird watching.  The mines up there are world renowned for gems ( we climb the mountains and pick up cool crystals all the time) and there's even a world renowned area for fossils, as we can go up to the rock quarry and pick up fossils off the ground!
 
Anyway, Lowell, anytime you have a request that you'd like to hear on RFP, let me know!!!  I'd love to play it for you.” "

I wish I had remembered this info before my 2017 Globe Triangle ride, I could have made photographs of both these houses.  I actually did ride by her house on Lower Road but didn't know it was her house at the time.  I did just now find out the location of these two houses and viewed them on Google Street View of course, of course.  The Andy she mentioned is Andy Olson, founder, owner and also a DJ on RFP.  The "barrio of Hayden" she referred to would be San Pedro on the western hill.